After arriving home, she drove 900 miles back to Pennsylvania to kill the man who rejected her. Because this is foreshadowing. (Photo of David and Kate; airplane; lake and coast), MORRISON: But here's the thing. Specific in nature? Our SaltWire team is always watching out for the place we call home. MORRISON: What was it like to hear that she was going to get out of prison? But he was moved to honor his friend the best way he knew how, by making a film. Thought that maybe he had found somebody that he could really be happy with. MORRISON: Was it reasonable for the court to trust her? For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. But they also contribute to the feeling of watching something urgent and unmediated. Only Kate and David, MORRISON: Perhaps the most irksome part of the deal with Shirley. kate-and-david-bagby-now-pdf 2/27 Downloaded from thesource2.metro.net on July 22, 2022 by guest the recent London bombings to Law and Order type crimes that make the news only to be replaced by another name.As such, more people are left with the aftermath of dealing with the violent death of a loved one. She was deranged. If. Very, very serious. The couple was also involved in a support group for parents of murdered children and sat through three murder trials to try and help other surviving parents deal with their incredible grief. We thought of him as a hostage, said David. Also, by popular demand, a new printing of David Bagby's book "Dance with the Devil: A Memoir of Murder and Loss" featuring Dear Zachary's poster art on its cover is now in stores. MORRISON: Andrew was the only child of software engineer David Bagby and his wife, Kate, a nurse practitioner. `You gave me a lovely son, and now it's over.'. Six-month-old Zachary was, returned to her. Amending Canada's bail code was my goal in releasing "Dear Zachary" publicly; it is my pleasure to announce that goal is now a reality. Either she's grabbed Zachary and taken off and she's trying to, escape, and she has a snowball's chance in hell of getting away with that. No less than seven of those friends had asked Bagby to be the best man at their weddings. Amazon | B&N May 16, 2008: This is the first example in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Mr. KUENNE: I think he was a little scared of me when I first came up. When Kuenne narrates the particulars of the crime, the evidence, or the legal proceedings, his voiceover shifts to a stylized, rapid-fire clip, making it easy for the audience to miss key details. -Managed leading Egyptian companies' accounts with the firm, including in the oil and gas, financial, consumer goods, real estate and automotive sectors. MORRISON: When another of Andrew's best friends, Kurt Kuenne, heard about the murder, he also went into a tailspin. MORRISON: How'd you feel about having a much younger brother come, Mr. SHEARS: I thought it was great. The upbeat music stops and a little boy who speaks in that lispy slow muckle-mouthed way little boys do, asks, Why did Andrew get killed?. -, "urgent, furiousadmirably well editedthis incredible, well-researched documentary demonstrates the vast gulf one life can leave behind." They were somewhat successful with the passing of Bill C-464 in December 2010 with the added clause that bail could be denied if it was deemed necessary for the protection of anyone under the age of 18. And thank God. And Turner had said he was a, MORRISON: But there were some caveats. I thought if I do that, I go to prison, maybe Kate. Laws governing the, rights of defendants are fairly strong in this country, but there's something, about Newfoundlanders in particular which may have contributed to the judge's, decision to grant bail. The full hour will not be available online. to live with his father in a tiny coastal village hundreds of miles away. By signing up, you agree to our User Agreement and Privacy Policy & Cookie Statement. Its best to watch Kuennes documentary without too much background, but the basic setup is this: On November 6, 2001, Andrew Bagbys body was found, shot five times, in a park near Latrobe, Pennsylvania, where Bagby lived. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) He is too happy, Kathleen. Oh, my God. Mr. BAGBY: Shirley killed Andrew. MORRISON: Even more, the Bagbys' gloom was mixed with worry. But that is what the Bagbys. CONTRIBUTED BY DAVID AND KATE BAGBY Sixteen years have passed but for the Bagbys the story of the deaths of their only son and grandson resurfaces all the time. Andrew's parents say he tried, frequently, to ease out of the relationship altogether, but Shirley wouldn't buy it. keep him safe, which they feared was about to become even more difficult. It's said there's nothing worse than the death of your child, and this film drives that point home harder and with the utmost care and precision." And that's when it all hit the fan, I guess. And Kate kissed him and held him and kissed him some more. Imagine it. Bagby came from Sunnyvale, California, and was the son of Kathleen Daphne Bagby ( ne Barnard), a registered nurse and midwife from Chatham, England, United Kingdom; and David Franklin Bagby, an American former United States Navy serviceman and computer engineer. DVD: Amazon | B&N After the pregnancy came to light, the film became a way to introduce Zachary to his father. You take it with you, but you move on, said David. In New York - August 8-14 at the IFC Center, 323 Sixth Avenue at W. 3rd Street. All rights reserved, Click here for information on becoming a member. MORRISON: You didn't seriously think of--I mean, you talk about this plan Mr. BAGBY: Absolutely. MORRISON: And, says T.J., in the way of her opportunities to be. When he returned to the States, Shirley showed up soon after. Ad Choices. The Bagbys have done their best to resume life in California. This is not the worst instance in this story of someone seeing something bad coming but not being able to stop it. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I do have a complaint, finally. It stays so close to Bagby and to the people who loved him that theres never any question that its their side of the story being recounted. Unidentified Man #24: Two I have ever known. Highlights from the week in culture, every Saturday. Unidentified Woman #10: (Kate holding Zachary) Zachary. They are selfless. Kate & David Bagby will now be called as witnesses before the committee, the bill will be revised and strengthened, and eventually brought back into the House and Senate for a vote. For those who've asked how Kate & David Bagby are doing now, here's a lovely article from Diane Crocker at Newfoundland's The Western Star. MORRISON: The rage was tempered with a yearning to know just why Andrew had been assassinated. MORRISON: The girl was Heather, also an aspiring doctor. Mr. SHEARS: She's kind of reliving a university life again. Mr. BAGBY: I think it was a rage at the person who did this. But the fact that theyre probably killers means they are much more dangerous than the rest of us, probably. Dear Zachary: A Letter to a Son About His Father (2008) 1 Video. Then, in August 2003, Shirley killed herself and the one-year-old Zachary by jumping into the Atlantic Ocean. Mr. SIMPSON: Andrew, you know you can do a lot better. If you were to dream up the perfect set of parents, it would be Kate and David Bagby. doesn't take much to pull a trigger, does it? MORRISON: Shirley Turner, also a doctor in training, was 12 years older than Andrew, twice divorced, a mother of three. | Learn more about Tessa Bagby's work experience, education . But the tributes Kuenne collected remain the spine of the movie, alternating throughout with exposition of the murder and its aftermath. Nobody drives 16 hours after you've just broken up with them.' Information on who and where to write can be found on the "Support Bail Reform" page. And one, of the first to see her there was T.J. Shears, the eldest of Shirley's three. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I was really upset when you took him today, because I feel like I did the day you saw him at Unified Family Court. MORRISON: Two weeks after Andrew's murder, cell phone records, would show that Shirley Turner drove all the way from Iowa to Andrew's, neighborhood in Pennsylvania, arrived there the day of the murder, and then, she, or at least her cell phone, returned to Iowa. Mr. BAGBY: The police didn't give us very much information, but they started. prayed that his murderer, whoever it was, would be swiftly brought to justice. MORRISON: How did you find out what happened, how he had been killed? This is the kind of couple, themselves beloved by hundreds, that produces the kind of son who is beloved by hundreds. David Bagby David Russell Bagby, 64, of Statesville, passed away Wednesday, Jan. 5, 2022. With that kind of goodness, there is no limit to the possibility of transcending all manner of evil. Was it a tight bond? Mr. BAGBY: That's one of the options, and that's the one we hoped for. -. with a supervisor, and we had to be searched. MORRISON: But Shirley would make it tough for Andrew to do that. any problem at all with them spending time with him, unlike my mother, Mr. SHEARS: I guess I just thought, well, they're kind of accusing her of, murder. Dear Zachary has been announced as the first film to launch the newly formed MSNBC Films division of MSNBC. On the 5th, however, Turner appeared back in Latrobe. Murders of Andrew Bagby and Zachary Turner - Wikipedia Pain, loss never end after tragedy strikes couple - East Bay Times (Kate and Zachary; judge in court; Shirley being escorted from court), Mr. KUENNE: I don't know. Mr. SHEARS: When we woke up in the morning, realized they weren't there. Mr. SIMPSON: He said, `You'll never guess who showed up on my doorstep at 5:30.' He had been shot five times and the No. Welcome back toCold Comforts, a recurring column in which Soraya Roberts writes about the grim, harrowing, and downright bizarre movies and television shows that she nevertheless cant stop watching, over and over again. Ms. TURNER: (Audio recording) I know you don't want to, you don't intend to. That's what Kurt does, he's an independent filmmaker. Mr. KUENNE: He warmed up to me as the--as the week wore on, MORRISON: But the Bagbys were especially anxious. Mr. BAGBY: He's now engaged to this lovely girl, and he's going to go to med school. She has to veer away from the image and instead see him as a living being. It was all incorrect from the beginning, that all this, innocence and everything she's told you was a lie. GARDNER: (Audio recording) I understand that. We were in the way, I guess, of her trying to go to school. Authorities later determined his former lover Dr. Shirley Turner,. Couldn't be her. See rank. Bill C-464 when enacted will justify detention in custody for a person accused of a serious crime who is a potential danger to their own minor children. -, "To give you an idea how powerful it is, I'll just say that there was a lot of audible sobbing during the credits.and the first question in the Q&A started like this: "First of all, holy crap. MORRISON: But was that what you assumed had happened? Dear Zachary was also a hit at Silverdocs, the AFI/Discovery Channel Documentary Film Festival over the weekend of June 21st & 22nd, where both screenings were once again met with standing ovations; Silverdocs nominated Dear Zachary for its inaugural Writers Guild of America Documentary Screenplay Award. don't have these meltdowns and emotional scenes. MORRISON: When you did find out that she was pregnant, what was your thought? There was no way to stop Andrews murder, but there was no way to walk away from Zacharys body and just say hmm, okay, move on," said David. It would take two weeks. You can't tell them this over the phone. How else do you represent almost virtually the same crime happening back to back despite the hindsight in between? I mean, she. The Bagbys went to the morgue to identify their bodies. For the Bagbys, shock might have, (Photo of David and Zachary; photo of Kate and Zachary; Shirley being escorted, from court; court documents; court exterior; court documents; Kate and David), KATE: I'd sat in the back of the room while Judge Green said to her, `I'm so, sorry, Dr. Turner, your life is on hold, and I know the law is slow.' The Bagbys, who recently marked their 50th wedding anniversary, say it sustained them for nearly a decade as . Parents Kate and David Bagby's story of identifying Andrew's body is devastating. How the fuck do you live like that? So I gave her the. And this is where director Kurt Kuenne is really smart. I--we both did. This film was no longer a letter to you, Unidentified Man #23: Well, everybody always says, well, what. Zachary, how's our baby today? Kate answered the phone, and she couldn't get off the phone for an hour. MORRISON: Ah, but there was a lot to say about Andrew. Creating stronger communities. All rights reserved. David Bagby Obituary (1957 - 2022) - Statesville, NC - My Web Times Watching the documentary brings up a mix of feelings from joy to hatred. What if she is backed in a. corner? Andrew assured his filmmaker friend Kurt that the 40-year-old was a passing fancy. Shirley. Mr. BAGBY: We were out shopping or something. Lori Kaufman rw. We dont do anything related to murder anymore, he said. MORRISON: And ultimately she sent him away, with no forewarning. His medical studies in Newfoundland were complete. But he was accepted here, St. John's, Newfoundland, the easternmost point in North America. Senior Writer and Project Manager. Mr. BAGBY: (Talking in group) This is about making public exactly what, MORRISON: The Bagbys' public outrage had some results. On December 15, 2010, Governor General David Johnston gave Royal Assent to Bill C-464: An Act To Amend the Criminal Code (justification for detention in custody), making it law in Canada. You know what, when Andrew didn't show up at 7:30, I knew something was very wrong. First their son was murdered in Pennsylvania, then their grandson in MORRISON: But then things changed. MORRISON: In Kurt Kuenne's documentary, Clark Simpson, one of Andrew's close friends at the hospital, remembers that November morning just two weeks later when Shirley surprised Andrew again. How do you represent the fact that this 13-month-olds death was preventable? hoped Shirley Turner would be returned to the US to face a murder trial. "In a tragic ending, we bring new beginnings with bail reform so that no other family will have to go through the devastation that Kate and David have gone through," Andrews said. Interviews with Bagbys friends and family take the place of the usual lineup of witnessesas much attention is given to the fact that he always wore shorts as to the number of times he was shotand their pain functions as evidence as the film builds a case against the Canadian bail and extradition protocols. (Photo of Shirley; Zachary; photo of Shears and Zachary), Mr. SHEARS: There was a conversation one time she had with me and Erica, in, regards to if something ever happened to her and she had to go to jail or. For one thing, Shirley, required the Bagbys to bring Zachary to visit her once a week in jail.